A topic for discussion among scientists has always been: Can there be an ultimate theory of quantum mechanics and physics? As Stephen Hawking has said:
"My goal is simple. It is a complete understanding of the universe, why it is as it is and why it exists at all."
But how simple is it? Can our universe be completely understood when physics and quantum mechanics are so far apart? Their laws constantly conflict. Is it possible that perhaps one of them is wrong? Or are they both right, just under different conditions? If the conditions determine the laws, then couldn't the conditions be unified under one quantum theory of gravity?
I think that there should be a way to unify the two. If only the conditions separate them, then perhaps we need to better understand the conditions. How can these two sets of laws coexist if they conflict so much? I think there must be something we are missing in the whole grand scheme of things. Why can't the law of conservation of mass apply to the microscopic world of quantum mechanics? Why should wormholes supposedly be able to pop up in the quantum world? Doesn't gravity affect the quantum world? Scientists say that a particle will take every possible path to get to a certain spot including through time as well as space. If that's true, then how come the universe isn't flooded with an infinite amount of particles? Richard Feynman said that the universe must have multiple histories. That means that everything has existed an infinite amount of times, because there are an infinite amount of paths to get to something, because there is an infinite smallness that can be measured in the universe! I think this is outrageous and far too fantastic to be true.
If one of these two sciences had to be wrong, I would say quantum mechanics needs some help. Perhaps we will eventually figure out what the problems are with either of these sciences. Maybe they are both absolutely right, but I just don't see how it makes sense. We need more information. I think that these sciences should be able to be related, but we need to gather more evidence and understanding.
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i say thay cannot be combigned. one reason is Mr.rearick said so and my second reason is that to many laws are violated between the two. also they could not survive together at a commen scale or there would be an unbalence so great it has not been fathomed
ReplyDeleteI understand that according to the laws we have set that the two can't be combined on a common scale, but I don't see why we can't figure out why on smaller scales quantum laws take effect while on larger scales we have to use classical physics.
ReplyDeleteThink of it this way. If you have a glass of water, depending on the conditions it behaves differently. If it is really hot, the water will evaporate and turn into water vapor. If it is really cold, then the water will freeze into ice. At an average Pennsylvania temperature, water does just fine as a liquid. Even though there are three different conditions, we can still classify all of them under physical science to explain the phenomenon. Why can't you do that with particles?
I think you should be able to combine the 2 theories. Although you say it is outrageous, Dan, I believe there are multiple big bangs and crunches. you also said about water vapor, which made me think that mabe the Quantum world does follow gravity. you see air can still move up and down, even though drawn to the earth, as well as rockets. so there might be such a senario as that in quantum phisics.
ReplyDeletetoo, I was thinking that, since the subatomic particles are very small, that they might somewhat be like our solar system shrunk alot. not an exact replication of coarse, but there would be lots of space in between each particle eventhough we see them compacted. if there is enough space gravity would only loosely effect the particles.
I don't know if it is this way or not, but then it would make sence that there would be more subatomic particles around areas with large mass.
I am sure many of you will go on and say why this can't be in a few minutes, I'll be interested in seeing why not.
Well, Sharon, I see your point about the solar-system particle model. It makes sense that they're so far apart that gravity barely affects them. Good thinking!
ReplyDeleteI found this on the Wikipedia article for Quantum Mechanics and thought it might be of interest. "Thus, the current logic of correspondence principle between classical and quantum mechanics is that all objects obey laws of quantum mechanics, and classical mechanics is just a quantum mechanics of large systems..."
I don't disagree that there could be multiple big bangs and crunches, but I don't think there could be more than one in our universe at a time.
ReplyDeleteI see that you are still sticking to your theory of a Fractal universe. I don't think it could happen because of what you stated earlier: The Quantum world follows gravity. No life could survive in a world where everything is moving at great speeds with such great force, right?
When I say that the Quantum world follows gravity, I mean that it is probably affected by OUR gravity, not theirs.
ReplyDeleteI believe you are correct about the Bangs and Crunches, but I also think that they might not even realize if they were flying through space. just like if no one told us that the earth was flying around the sun at super high speeds I'd have never known. Too, If our galaxy is going anywhere perhaps revolving around something like a giant black hole, going even faster than our revolution around the sun I don't know. I'm guessing I am not the only one who doesn't feel the earth flying through space. Therefore, your thaught doesn't counter mine, but supports it
ReplyDeleteReally random, but if there are balck holes, though they aren't actually holes, Are There White Holes???
By the way you need to make more questions on the side.
ReplyDeleteI see what you mean about how we don't realize we are flying through space. That does make sense, and I guess there is no way to know if life exists in the quantum world.
ReplyDeleteIn support of your theory, time moves a lot slower to smaller organisms, and an organism living in the quantum world would probably live their life within a single second. Life could quickly progress and die so fast that it would be really hard to notice.
However, if there was life that small, then how come entire electrons, neutrons, or protons aren't exploding? Humans are probably going to end up destroying the Earth, so why aren't quantum planets following the same pattern?
Considering how rare life is on our scale, it could be fathomed that life is happening on a quantum scale, but in extreme rarity.
Another thing to consider is your planetary model of the atom. Does the quantum solar system have the nucleus as the "sun" and the electrons as the "planets"? If so, how can life that small live on an electron? The entire thing is negative electric charge! How could they survive on that?
Finally, to answer your question on white holes, we don't know if they exist because we haven't found any. If there were, it could mean that a black hole is connected to a white hole via a wormhole which would not violate the law of conservation of mass or energy. White holes were created to offset the effect of black holes in Einstein's general theory of relativity. This could of course be absolutely wrong just like the cosmological constant (although now people are saying that could indeed exist...).
Therefore, I still find it hard to believe that life could exist on such a scale, even though it could be fathomed.
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